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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Proton Power
So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.
There were 5 trustees.
Guess who has the 5th trustee's shares?
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Proton Power
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Originally by: Proton Power
So if one of the 4 of us dont sign in to vote the walks away with the bpo's.
There were 5 trustees.
Guess who has the 5th trustee's shares?
You we already know this, + you created 200 making it so you have 800. Meaning we tie at best (not sure whath appens then). But I am sure somone wont vote sooner or later.
No. I have 1000. You have 800 between you.
I don't leave details like this to chance.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Martosh Toma
so what if the trustees had demanded you'd make this installing process for the new trustees save, requiring you to create smaller blocks and having the new trustees confirming receiving the shares before creating new shares.
would this have kept the whole thing working as originally presented?
Yes
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Martosh Toma
Thought so.
BB, I need to go to sleep, need to be awake tomorrow supervising some sea scouts.
Could you please clearly confirm or deny whether I lost almost 24B (and others whatever they invested) on this? even if only privately?
I mean, this is just a game and I should not loose sleep over it, but the suspense and frequent updates are keeping me awake.
Ok.
I can confirm that I have scammed something in the region of 850b from T4U and other ventures.
The UTU bond is not included in those that I have scammed. That bond is with Garmon, not me.
I'll provide more details later. I need to sleep too.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Caldari Citizen20090217
Did anyone else notice the similarities between the TITANS4U ipo scam and the one in the old nightfreeze scam story many years ago?
Food for thought 
Both involve a blueprint? 
That story was one of the things that inspired my playstyle, along with the GHSC and various tales of piracy.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
850 billions or even 850 trillions are worthless when your name is in the mud forever
I have been a pirate for most of my eve life. I hunt the weak and the foolish, I blow up their ships, pop their pods and take their stuff. That reputation is not harmed in the least by this scam.
The reputation that I had for honesty and competence in business that was forged within MD was cashed in for 850b. I felt that to be the optimal exchange rate that I was going to get, with time and effort factored in.
Also, the only "name in the mud" as far as this is concerned is Bad Bobby and other known alts. I have other names that are not so effected and have plenty of reputation to work with. It didn't take me long to build Bad Bobby and it didn't take me long to build the others. Once you learn the skills to build and sell reputation then it is those that are important, the reputation itself is just the commodity you trade in.
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
expecially in a game where the only valuable and lasting currency is fame and honor.
If it's currency then it's there to be spent.
The most valuable thing to me is the continued comradeship of those I fly with. That is something that I would never part with and would never consider currency. My recent actions have not harmed that in the least bit.
Originally by: Caleb Ayrania
there will always be people ingame that know who you are in RL, and what you did. Sure these might be close enough to not "rat" on you.. but seriously.. You have to live with this stigma the rest of your life..
Would anyone here ever trust someone with an action like this in their past?
I have experienced first hand how your view change once a friend shows this side of their personality..
I dont understand why people sell their morales for isk or RL money.. Not that I dont understand the greed and lure, just the blemish you have to carry is not worth it imo..
Oh no! My Karma!
Oh no! My RL reputation!
Oh no! My interweb stalkers!
How will my workmates and customers feel about the fact that I've hurt other players in a competitive PvP focused computer game in which I play a pirate? At the moment they are trying their best to stop rolling around with laughter. Maybe in time they will decide that I am evil and must be hunted down and made an example of... I doubt it somehow.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ramingo
I never checked your financials, but how much isk did you repay investors in dividends since day 1?.
Originally by: Bad Bobby
Dividend history:
4185m (of 4500m profits) distributed on 2010.03.22 between 204,000 shares (2.05%)
1302m (of 1400m profits) distributed on 2010.03.28 between 204,000 shares (0.64%)
1692m (of 1820m profits) distributed on 2010.03.31 between 204,000 shares (0.83%)
5050m (of 5430m profits) distributed on 2010.04.21 between 204,000 shares (2.47%)
5208m (of 5600m profits) distributed on 2010.05.16 between 274,000 shares (1.90%)
6510m (of 7000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (1.90%)
1488m (of 1600m profits) distributed on 2010.08.01 between 342,000 shares (0.43%)
7440m (of 8000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.09 between 342,000 shares (2.17%)
930m (of 1000m profits) distributed on 2010.08.14 between 342,000 shares (0.27%)
5952m (of 6400m profits) distributed on 2010.08.17 between 342,000 shares (1.74%)
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Scott McClellan
Granted there's a higher risk of a scam with the newer offerers, but it seems the risk was not even considered in the case of BB.
This is a clear sign that it's time to cash in a reputation. When you have done enough that the majority of people trust you without question then there is little to gain from further developing that reputation. Then is the time to gather as much wealth as you can and run. Any time spent further building that reputation would be better spent on another alt ready for the next scam.
For a person who takes pleasure in serving the community, like Chribba, this logic does not apply. Whereas for a person who takes pleasure in defeating others, like me, this is simply effective strategy.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Janya Rykayn
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No one really thought about him scamming.
Really? Nobody really thought about someone named Bad Bobby, who looks like a little boy who just robbed the candy store, scamming?
Really?
Every time I've seen Bad Bobby's name in connection with one of his investments, I wondered "What kind of person would be stupid enough to invest in a person named Bad Bobby?"
I guess now I know.
A scammer once told me, "It's not enough to just scam, you have to scam with a completely untrustworthy looking alt." Calling the alt Bad Bobby is even more humorous.
Going from running a 9b isk bond directly into running a 200b+ IPO using a character that is a known pirate, with known scammer sympathies, who has never been audited, who to that point had never returned any invested isk, who has the name "Bad Bobby", who belongs to a corp called "The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels"...
I call that a challenge.
So if we say that I've just completed the game in hard mode... what does nightmare difficulty have in store for me?
Originally by: Berikath
Given this, do you expect that you will set up new and different scams with new and different characters, just for the fun of it?
Of course. I need to improve my high score and do so under much harsher conditions. It's a game after all and you haven't completed the game until you've unlocked every feature at the hardest difficulty.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cista2
Originally by: Bad Bobby
The most valuable thing to me is the continued comradeship of those I fly with.
That's sweet. But why are you still here then? You are history, go fly with your friends. Your attention-seeking is getting tiresome very fast, stop clogging up my page 1, there are real businesses to attend to.
Ooh... handbags.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: Janya Rykayn
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what does nightmare difficulty have in store for me?
Do it again, as Bad Bobby. THEN I'll be impressed.
Please ladies and gentlemen give a warm MD welcome to the largest undefeated scammer, comming back from retirement for one last scam. Yes it's...
Baaaaaaaad Bobby!
No. That dog just won't hunt.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandre VII
if BB is playing on Hard, then Riethe plays on Nightmare.
I'll ask him what he thinks of that. I have a great deal of respect for Riethe, even though I generally insist on spelling his name wrong whenever we talk.
Originally by: Alexandre VII
I would also argue that this in no way is the same calibur as TGHSC scam. That took engineering, cunning, and class.
GHSC were pioneers. I can never truely better them because they got their first.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alexandre VII
I just thought of an original way for the story to live forever.
BB...Put a 1 bil bounty on yourself at all times. ISK has no meaning anymore (for you), and you would not be giving it away to beggars (above posts).
Plus it would make your PVP VERY unique.
Garmon, myself and others already fly about in silly expensive PvP ships that drop massive loot. It can help us get a fight. It can help boost our adrenaline. It can also get us blobbed to high heaven. We are still interested in fun PvP. Getting camped, blobbed and fleet bridged wherever we go isn't really what we are looking for. I don't think we need do anything else to paint targets on our foreheads.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Berikath
From your list of dividend payments, I figure that in a year you paid out on 42.75 bil profits, or 14.4%. Grats on having a return about a third of what you initially listed, and still being considered gold.
Were you skimming also, or did you just make a whole lot less than you initially anticipated? Just wondering if the total should be bumped up to 900 or so, instead of 850.
No, there was no skimming. I did however build a very good BPC reselling business off the back of the contacts, information and skills that I gained from the IPO and thus made many times more than my cut of T4U via an indirect route.
The profits were much lower than projections due to the massive reduction in BPC sale price after the combination of the Titan rebalance, the introduction of heavy fleet lag and the outbreak of peace in many areas that would have otherwise seen profitable conflict.
We were projecting at 10b-20b a copy and the reality was 5b-10b per copy, averaging at a little over 7b. The original plan was for 4 Titan BPOs and we only started with 3. The 4th and 5th BPOs were expansions.
The dividend history I've published was accurate and complete.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Jameson
Originally by: Bad Bobby
So if we say that I've just completed the game in hard mode... what does nightmare difficulty have in store for me?
lol Diablo II reference ftw
By the way, Bobby, I know it's been asked previously, but what does a guy in your position DO with 850 bil? Invest in an alliance? Buy bling ships?
Money, like reputation, is pointless in and of itself until you spend it on something. I try to use my money and reputation to work on my fledgling corporation, but that's my personal goal. What do you plan to do with level of profit?
I've been the CEO of several corps. I've built corps up from nothing to be exceptional PvP outfits. I've been in alliance leadership both as the top dog and in lower tiers. I've FCed more fleets and gangs than is healthy. I'll continue to do the same but it can't be considered a goal anymore.
Obviously I've hit a high score on the scammers league and I'll try to beat that score in the future.
But with the isk... I'm giving some to my friends, I'm keeping more than enough to keep me well supplied for as many years of EVE as the servers have left to give, I'm buying some nice toys for myself and others and I'm helping out with HYDRA RELOADED & Genos Occidere's comittments to pay those responsible for our alliance tournament victory. I should still have some change left over from all that which should help us with the next alliance tournament, which we intend to win.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.04 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Out of interest, where did the rest of the 850bil come from? T4U and the other bonds still leave things short a few hundred bil don't they?
T4U raised 450b. I sold my shares so I got 450b from this. In theory the researched BPOs and the faction control tower are worth more than we paid so in reality T4U should be worth more than 450b. I got one last BPC from T4U before unlocking the BPOs, that sold.
I borrowed a lot of isk from various people, some have publicly stated this and some have yet to come forward.
I had a set of Supercarrier BPOs and a few T2 BPOs locked down for clients in my POS corps (you are familiar with the services I provided) and I have taken those.
Total is roughly calculated at 850b, but it's probably a bit more depending on how you value the various BPOs. I go for NPC price on the supercap BPOs and recent market price on the T2 BPOs. Up to you if you think I am valuing high or low.
I'm not going to call out all the people I scammed because I think that is a little cruel. If they want you to know who they are I'm sure they will say.
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2010.09.05 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: corestwo
Bobby, was this (as I suspect) planned all along, from the first tiny reputation building venture onward?
Yes and no. I kept my options open.
I always ran the business legitimately and I would have been happy to continue doing so for much longer. I would have expanded further with expectation that the end of the fleet lag issue (soonTM) would have brought more profits to the IPO. I never had any plans for giving back the isk though. At best I would have run the IPO "forever".
That said I always kept an eye on oppertunities for taking the whole thing. Taking one BPO or the isk for one expansion never interested me, but the possibility that a crisis with the trustees could occur or an oppertunity for creating a controlling majority of shares in the Super Sekrit Corp could occur (as it did) was always kept in mind. Hence the fact I didn't give Cosmo his shares, which was easy to deny but still brought me closer to a majority. If the vote to create 600 shares had been stopped by the trustees I would have just said "right you are, we'll do this differently" and business would have continued as usual.
The public relations and social engineering aspects of the venture did not require me to make a firm decision on my intent, although I suppose saying "I never had any plans for giving back the isk" was pretty close to "I planned to scam". Building the reputation, overcomming the issues that came with that, managing public perception of me and bringing a large section of the MD investor population to the point where they stopped thinking clearly with respect to my trustworthyness was equally valid as both a legitimate businessman seeking large volumes of isk at low rates or as a scammer trying to make a big score.
Whichever way you look at it, it was a really interesting and challenging project for me that delivered in every way I could have hoped for. I really enjoyed both the legitimate venture and execution of the final heist. Thanks to you all for giving me that oppertunity.
I think it's time to let this story fade into the night, so I'm going to lay off posting. I'll come back for any interesting questions but I'm not going to strut about MD rubbing people's noses in it.
So long and thanks for all the fish!
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Bad Bobby
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2011.01.06 20:04:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
he got bored and his alliance collapsed.
Since when?
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